mythic boundary markers
Oct. 27th, 2016 05:59 pmBrainstorming time!
I’d like you all to tell me what objects you might, from a mythical standpoint, associate with the delineation of boundaries and borders. I’m looking specifically for objects that might be a personal possession; walls and fences are obvious boundary markers, as are rivers, but neither are really the sort of thing a person could carry around with them. A sword, on the other hand, being a thing that cuts, could be the thing that marks the division between Here and Not Here, whether by literally drawing a line in the dirt or just symbolically cleaving things apart.
Can you think of/make an argument for other personal-sized objects that might represent geographical boundaries?
Originally published at Swan Tower. You can comment here or there.
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Date: 2016-10-28 01:18 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-10-28 02:26 am (UTC)A souvenir from a border crossing (like a keychain from an airport kiosk, or dirt from a crossroads) that carries the memory of that border.
A key or ring of keys. Maybe too obvious!
The opposite of the sword might be a needle and thread, to bring Here and Not Here close enough that the border can be crossed.
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Date: 2016-10-28 03:33 am (UTC)Using the concept that a dividing line has two sides:
Two pebbles, one from each side of the line you wish to draw.
A piece of cloth bearing a reflecting design (the yin-yang is one example) or a transforming design (like some of Escher's). A small disc of glass or polished metal could also have the same symbolic connotation.
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Date: 2016-10-28 03:59 am (UTC)Keys. They open doors, which stand between one place and another.
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Date: 2016-10-28 06:27 am (UTC)A watch is a delineating mechanism, though it separates chunks of time rather than space.
A mirror.
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Date: 2016-10-28 02:37 pm (UTC)Weed torch. Similar to salt, it will kill grass and weeds to define a boundary.
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Date: 2016-10-28 03:28 pm (UTC)Maybe not so much geographic, but I feel like candles are frequently part of the kind of circle that's meant to summon stuff and keep it inside the circle. I feel like there's a division between light and darkness implicit in candles too, and if you mess with the composition of the candles, you could make other distinctions with them perhaps... i.e. bees wax from a certain bee hive in a certain location, mixing other location-related stuff into the wax of the candle... dipping the wick into a certain river and then letting it dry, but the mystical connection could be said to remain...
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Date: 2016-10-28 04:53 pm (UTC)Something associated with a specific border/boundary (a piece of the Berlin Wall; a postcard from the Grand Canyon or Niagara Falls).
A sheepdog enforces the boundary between "the flock" and "not the flock." Bonus points if it's a Border Collie.
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Date: 2016-10-29 01:39 am (UTC)A compass (as in straight-line and compass, not the directional one.
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Date: 2016-10-29 03:05 am (UTC)A lot of mythic containers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mythological_objects#Containers) are personal possession-sized and bridge this plane with other planes, although maybe not via geography.
All of the above suggestions are fantastic.
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Date: 2016-10-29 05:22 am (UTC)And see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_marker, for ones that aren't quite the same as survey markers.
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Date: 2016-10-30 12:49 am (UTC)A mirror. A key (could also score marks in soft materials). I liked somebody elses idea of a clock stopped to midnight. A map or a perambulation (written down) or a deed of sale of a bit of land.
Taxidermied lips from some animal - the boundary between within and without the body. Any animal skin is the same boundary, but the mouth is where most crossings happen.
Grave dirt for life and death boundary, or cremation ashes or something else depending on funerary customs. A death certificate?
A rope that somebody has been hanged with, which can also be put down to mark a boundary.
A whip to break the sound barrier with.
A document freeing somebody from slavery. (Part of) the ransom for a hostage.
Baptismal water or a paper with the baptizing ritual as part of the boundary between "heathen" and christened states. (That's very Christianity-specific, but might have parallells in the culture you write about. Also, I think the water in the baptizing is theologically unremarkable in my denomination and only required to be clean, but if people understand the symbol it still symbolises even if it isn't meant to.)
Placenta or amniotic sac (or pieces thereof) for the boundary between offspring and bearer. Eggshell, both bird/world and embryo/chick boundaries.
Things from temporal turningpoints: New Years champagne, a turnip lantern from Samhain, the first or last harvested from the year, the first snow (melted or kept magically frosen in a flask), a cow's first calf.
A wedding band. A degree diploma. Some piece of clothing only for a specific age like short pants and long trousers used to be. A wood carving that is both a girl with braids and a woman with her hair up (change attributes to fit culture).
Milk teeth would be both a mouth boundary and a growing up boundary.
A cage. A thermos flask (I mean, that would have to be established because I'm throwing ideas out wildly but it shouln't be impossible with the keeping the hot insides different from the cold outside). A condom. A door lintel.
An actual electrical fence ought to be possible to carry (bundled up, and maybe excepting the battery/generator/whatever).
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