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If you've read the entirety (yes, I mean the entirety) of Dorothy Dunnett's Lymond Chronicles, then this post is for you.

I have a project in mind for this summer, or however long it actually takes me: I would like to re-read the Lymond Chronicles.

But, you say, doesn't that usually sink you into a slough of despond where you think your own writing sucks? And don't you have a novel to write this summer?

Yes, generally, and yes, I do. But while Dunnett may make me feel bad about my writing, I don't think she actually makes my writing bad (except, y'know, by comparison), so as long as I sit my ass down in the chair anyway, I should be okay. And -- more to the point -- that's kind of why I'm doing this. You see, I don't just intend to re-read them. I intend to do a close re-reading of a craft-focused sort, looking for the kinds of things I've talked to some of you about, like how she manipulates point of view, or describes certain things but not others, or makes that one duel the awesomest duel ever seen on the page. (In other words, I'm trying to get over my inferiority complex by anatomizing it.) And I'll answer a whole lot of niggling questions I need to re-read for, like which characters call him by his given name and when they start (or stop) doing so, how old he is when certain events happen, and just when we start seeing signs of [spoiler] or first get told [spoiler] but don't realize what it means.

I could do this without other people, but it wouldn't be half so fun. So the purpose of this post is to say, I will be blogging my progress through the books, bringing out interesting tidbits or answers to niggling questions, and inviting discussion in the comments. But this will involve spoilers like whoa, so I'll be doing so behind a specially-constructed filter. If you've read all the books, and are interested in joining the party, please comment here and I'll add you. If you have read some of the books, I'm sorry, but you really don't want to be a part of this yet; one of the things I intend to track as I read is the growth of a plot from book six that I know starts in book one, and I don't want to ruin that for you. But I'm more than happy to add people later, if they happen to finish the series and want to see what we've been up to.

Or, to put all this in other terms, I want to partially re-create the fun of the interactive "Let's watch [livejournal.com profile] khet_tcheba read the books for the first time" circus of myself and [livejournal.com profile] kurayami_hime, via Khet's locked posts on the subject. It will lack the tasty, tasty irony of seeing her make comments about ongoing plots when we, but not she, knew where they were going, but it should be fun regardless.


Edited to add: special brownie points for anybody who comes up with a good icon for me to use on such posts.

Date: 2007-05-16 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kristine-smith.livejournal.com
I've read them all, though only once. Love the writing and some characters, lose track of other characters amid the sweep, and really dislike one major plot arc that other folks like just fine.

I'd like to tag along with this, even though I'll likely be working on other things as well.

Date: 2007-05-16 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
Hey, I didn't realize you had friended me! I've added you to the filter, and when the time comes, you can talk about why you didn't like the plot in question. (I suspect I know which one it is, but I'll keep my mouth shut while out here in the open.)

And I'll be working on other things, too (the aforementioned novel), so this will be a sporadic thing, rather than a continual spamming of LJ.

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Date: 2007-05-16 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catrambo.livejournal.com
I'd like to tag along as well - I read those a few years ago and loved a lot about them. There's one passage where the shadow of some ship's rigging is compared to the netted string around a beef brisket (if I am remembering correctly) that made me sit back and go wow. Looking at the series on a craftmanship level sounds like a really cool idea.

Date: 2007-05-16 06:12 pm (UTC)

Date: 2007-05-16 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
Meeeeeeeeee.

Date: 2007-05-16 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
'Tis done. I'm quite curious to see what things you'll have to say. :-)

Date: 2007-05-16 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] d-c-m.livejournal.com
So do you need to contact anima_mecanique, aka Petra Paternoster/Sarah Tilson from our Changeling game. She has been posting about these books for some time. I'll drop her a line. :)

Date: 2007-05-16 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
I already expected she might be one of the people to sign up; we've talked about the books before. :-)

Date: 2007-05-16 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khet-tcheba.livejournal.com
I think it goes without saying that I want in on this.

I would dig up those nauseating 70's book cover scans again, but you said you wanted a good icon. Actually, one of the Queen's Play covers had a pretty nice, reasonably faithful rendition of Lymond. Failing that, every general icon subject I can think of is probably a spoiler on some level or another.

Date: 2007-05-16 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
You and [livejournal.com profile] kurayami_hime got added when I created the filter, whether you wanted to be or not. <g>

As character portraits go, that doesn't suck -- though it is a touch odd to see Lymond in a ruff, however much one reminds oneself that it is period. (At least the series is Edwardian/Marian Tudor, so not the giant ridiculous ruffs of Elizabeth's court.) But it still isn't what he looks like in my head. Nothing is quite what he looks like in my head.

Beyond that . . . yeah, some spoiler-tastic icons could happen. But hey, if I'm only using them on the locked posts anyway, then the worst that could happen is that somebody looks through all my userpics and comes across it out of context.

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Date: 2007-05-16 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com
Add me, please?

Date: 2007-05-16 08:26 pm (UTC)

Date: 2007-05-16 10:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diatryma.livejournal.com
If it starts after, say, mid-June, I'm in.
I'm still... I saw 'Lymond' and part of my brain froze. But after comps, I'll probably be in sedentary shape for at least two books' length. I can't promise I'll be useful in the discussion, but... I have to finish them. I don't not finish things because they make me feel so tragic.

Date: 2007-05-16 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
I'll be starting this after I come back from London, so early June; drop me a note when you're done and I'll add you then?

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Date: 2007-05-17 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eclectician.livejournal.com
Maybe this is a really, really bad idea.

But maybe I could pace you through the books. I've read the first, I'd be happy (in fact I think I need) to read it again.

And y'know, I can't be cooking and baking during _all_ my free time. =)

Date: 2007-05-17 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
I won't add you to the filter until you're done; there literally is a plot that doesn't resolve until about two pages from the end of the sixth book, but it gets started in book one, and I'm going to be talking about the ways in which Dunnett sets it up. So yeah: spoilers like whoa. But I wholeheartedly recommend reading the entire series as fast as you can go, and then joining us when you're done. I'm going to be trying to pace myself, so you could definitely beat me to the end.

Date: 2007-05-18 08:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gollumgollum.livejournal.com
So this is the spark i needed, right?

I'll buy the book tomorrow, if i can swing it. (;

Date: 2007-05-18 08:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
This is actually the other reason I'm eager for you to finish. <g> You've got until June 1st, if you want to be on board from the start; far more likely is that I'll add you when you finish the series. (Because I'm not sure reading all three remaining books in the next two weeks would be good for you.)

Date: 2007-06-01 06:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anima-mecanique.livejournal.com
I'm in.

Lymond renders me incapable of anything but fannish flailing, so I'd like to see your take on it.

Date: 2007-06-01 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
Oh dear. Now I'm under an obligation to actually live up to my lofty ideal of more than fannish flailing. <g>

Lymond is the only character over whom I can abjectly fangirl while still wanting to punch him in the mouth.

Date: 2007-06-01 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jorrie-spencer.livejournal.com
Please add me. I've read the LC twice and the second round was the most intensive, fantastic reading experience of my life.

Date: 2007-06-01 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
Yeah, I've re-read the first three books once, but had to put them down to get other things done. I know, though, that they're the kind of thing that rewards re-reading, when you have a better sense of who the people are underneath, and what they're really doing.

Glad to have you!

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Date: 2007-06-01 03:35 pm (UTC)
cofax7: climbing on an abbey wall  (Seduce Men -- Infinitemonkeys)
From: [personal profile] cofax7
Came here by way of [livejournal.com profile] sartorias; and this sounds like a great deal of fun.

I shall use one of my Dunnett-quoting icons!

Date: 2007-06-01 03:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cofax7
Err, by which I mean, can you please add me to your filter? No need to read me otherwise unless you find media fandom interesting (it's not everyone's thing).

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Date: 2007-06-01 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aswego.livejournal.com
Also here via [livejournal.com profile] sartorias! Please add me; I've read the series more than once, though it's been a while, and getting in on a craft discussion would be wonderful.

Date: 2007-06-01 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
I'm looking forward to seeing how the discussion goes; we seem to have a great bunch.

You're on the filter now; friend me back if you want to see the posts automatically, or just check the "lymond" tag from this post periodically to see what's gone up. I don't know how frequent the updates will be -- probably quite variable, depending on what else I'm doing.

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Date: 2007-06-01 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fitzcamel.livejournal.com
Here via Sartorias and a huge Dunnett fan -- please add me?

Date: 2007-06-01 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
Certainly; come join the party!

Date: 2007-06-01 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elishavah.livejournal.com
Ooh, here from [livejournal.com profile] cofax7, actually. I was just thinking that I wanted to re-read these books, so I'd love to join in.

Date: 2007-06-02 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
It seems to have been in the air; you're not the only one saying that. Welcome!

Date: 2007-06-02 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] benbenberi.livejournal.com
Here via [personal profile] sartorius. I've been a Lymond-lover since before Checkmate was published, so I'd love to join the reading fun here - please add me to your filter!

Date: 2007-06-02 02:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
Wow. I think I would have snapped if I'd been reading the series as it came out, and had to wait for the later books.

Welcome to the fun!

Date: 2007-06-02 04:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octavia-b.livejournal.com
You don't know me, and I can't even begin to recreate the round-about way I found myself here, but I just finished reading all the Lymond Chronicles for the first time a few months ago and would love to tag along as they completely blew my mind.

Friending you, if that's ok.

Date: 2007-06-02 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
They are indeed rather mind-blowing.

You're on the filter now. There's a couple of entries up already.

Date: 2007-06-02 01:46 pm (UTC)
kernezelda: (Lymond penknife)
From: [personal profile] kernezelda
Here via [livejournal.com profile] cofax7. I am a lurker for the most part, but I'd enjoy following your progress and analysis/discussion. I'll friend you, if you don't mind.

Date: 2007-06-02 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
Lurking isn't a problem! There's two entries up already.

Date: 2007-06-08 03:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wojelah.livejournal.com
I'm here via [livejournal.com profile] kurayami_hime - a day late and a dollar short, but may I play along?

Date: 2007-06-08 03:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
I'm barely a third of the way through the first book; there's plenty of time left to play along. ^_^ Just check the "Lymond" tag to see what's been said so far.

Date: 2007-09-14 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rusty_halo.livejournal.com
Hi!

Are you still doing this? I'd love to participate, if you are. Or even just to read what you've written, if you're finished. (I just read the Lymond Chronicles and am mind-blown, and will be starting on a re-read immediately.)

Date: 2007-09-22 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
Oh, I'm still going; thanks to my novel this summer eating my head, I'm only halfway through the first book. You're more than welcome to dive in; all the posts have the "lymond" tag, and I just put a new one up today.

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