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My husband and I are finally caught up on both Arrow and The Flash, which means I can finally make the post I’ve been drafting in my head for a while. The following contains mild spoilers for both shows, as well as Daredevil. It also contains a fair bit of complaining about how much The Flash disappointed me, so if you really love it and don’t want to see someone dissect its flaws, you may not want to click through.

I feel conflicted about my reactions to these shows, because I’m on the record as saying that I’m getting tired of grim ‘n gritty as a narrative aesthetic, and being “gritty” doesn’t automatically make you more worthy than the cheerful option. And yet . . . as much as I wanted to like The Flash, as much as I cheered the advent of a superhero show that was bright and cheerful, it felt to me like the pursuit of brightness and cheerfulness too often resulted in a flimsy story. It’s possible to be perky and substantive! Really it is! But this is not that show.

Part of the problem was an issue of mundane craft: my god, it was frequently so badly written. The Flash is supposed to be populated with a number of highly intelligent characters — but most of them demonstrate their “intelligence” by spouting incredibly painful technobabble and inventing improbable gadgets during the commercial break. They do not reason intelligently. In fact, the story often requires them to act stupidly, because otherwise the plot won’t go. The episode with the shapeshifter made me want to throw something through my TV: even after the characters knew what they were dealing with, none of them thought to take even the most basic security precautions to verify the identity of the person in front of them. When Cisco used his drink as a Reverse Flash detector, my husband and I both said “That’s good thinking!” Then we looked at one other and said, “We shouldn’t be saying that in a tone of surprise.” Of course, thirty seconds later Cisco ran into the Pipeline so he could be conveniently trapped inside it with Joe. Because that was what the plot needed. Also: seriously? You guys decide to play around with changing the past, and Cisco — Mr. “I have seen popular media and the rest of you have not” — doesn’t have an immediate aneurysm at the thought of the possible paradoxes that might result? Even if he thought about it and ended up deciding it wasn’t really a danger because shutupjustpretendthismakessanysense, I want to see him address it.

Which is not to say that Arrow always has good writing. It doesn’t, and in particular the beginning of the first season was pretty weak. The only reason I kept watching was because I’d been told it got better when some character named Felicity showed up. Felicity? Is a “smart character” who actually behaves intelligently. She figures things out. She does the technobabble thing, but not all the time; she also solves problems in ways that actually make sense. It’s one thing to have your characters make bad decisions because of their flaws and psychological hangups and so forth. It’s another to have them just not think of doing the intelligent thing, when we’re supposed to believe that they’re smart.

But that’s the smaller of my two complaints.

My bigger one is that, while I don’t believe handling complex themes and ethical issues requires one to tell a story with a grim aesthetic . . . both Arrow and Daredevil do a substantially better job on that front. I could forgive stupid technobabble if The Flash explored how to navigate problems while still being a good, upbeat person. Alas, not so much.

Let’s start with the women. In the first season of Arrow — because I don’t think it’s fair to draw from all three seasons, against one of The Flash — female characters I recall being around on a regular basis include Thea, Moira, Laurel, Shado, and Felicity. (There may be others, but those five are an ongoing part of the story for sure.) I will not claim I liked all of those characters: Thea felt like the obligatory Delinquent Younger Sister, and Laurel was a pretty unconvincing excuse for a love interest. But there were five of them, and they all played important roles in one way or another, with their brains (Felicity) or their brawn (Shado) or their political connections (Moira). In Daredevil you have even fewer episodes to work with — but you still have Karen, Claire, Vanessa, Elena, and Madam Gao. And as I’ve said before, Karen is clearly a protagonist in the story, rather than a sidekick or love interest for the main hero.

In The Flash? We have Caitlin and Iris. (Plus Felicity as a guest star.) Caitlin exists almost entirely to facilitate Barry doing stuff (except when she gets her Boyfriend Plotline), and Iris exists almost entirely to be a romantic volleyball between Barry and Eddie. The whole business with her investigating the Flash is a narrative dead-end: I’m glad Iris figured it out, but she didn’t do so on the basis of of her investigation. (Also, apparently she has never been shocked with static electricity in her life.) It felt like make-work, a plot to keep Iris busy while the other characters did something useful.

And can I just say how much I DO NOT LOVE Joe’s behavior towards her? The show often seemed to think his proprietary attitude toward his daughter’s romantic life was endearing, but I am so very, very over the trope of fathers policing their daughters’ sexual lives. The guard-dog approach to potential boyfriends is creepy, not cute — and I just about wanted to punch Joe’s teeth out the other side of his skull when we got the scene of Eddie asking for his blessing before proposing to Iris. Not only does that approach piss me off (because it reinforces the idea that Joe is the gatekeeper to Iris), but Joe does everything he can to cock-block Eddie. Why? Because he’s certain his daughter will accept, and it will be a mistake, and a few years down the road she’ll be regretting ever having said yes because she really loves Barry, but she’ll be locked into that marriage because she won’t want to break her promise. And instead of, y’know, treating his daughter like a goddamned adult and talking to her about this, he’d rather try to save her from her own decisions. Like she’s still four or something.

Which Iris calls out! Yay! . . . and then five minutes later, it’s entirely forgotten. She yells at her father for infantilizing her, then gets over it in the next scene. She yells at Barry for lying to her about the most important thing in his life, then gets over it in the next scene. I can’t chalk this up to “their relationship overcomes the problem,” because I can look at Daredevil to see that approach done well. Foggy yells at Matt for not just a scene but an entire episode — and the fallout from that lasts even longer, as they tiptoe their way back toward something like a functional dynamic.

“Bright” doesn’t have to mean dismissing problems as if they don’t matter. It means that the problems are overcome, instead destroying everything forever.

Getting over stuff too fast is a problem elsewhere, too. It took until the penultimate episode of the season for anybody to mention that locking metahumans up in solitary confinement from now until kingdom come without benefit of trial is, y’know, not okay — and then it’s a minor secondary character, who’s more focused on the risk of prosecution than the fundamental immorality of the thing in the first place. Joe’s the only one who even seems to give her points a second thought, and — say it with me — he gets over it in the next scene. It feels like the writers said “all right, we’ve checked that box off the list” and went on with their business, never noticing that you need to do more than just check it off. Arrow started in a worse place (with Oliver murdering people, instead of just imprisoning them), but it not only pointed out the problematic nature of that, it actually did something about it: after people point out to him that, hey, he’s a serial killer, Oliver changes his behavior. Right now I’ve got no reason to think the heroes on The Flash won’t go right back to using the Pipeline the minute they have someone else to put in it. Because this is the cheerful show! The first rule of Basement Gitmo is, you don’t talk about Basement Gitmo!

I wanted the show to be better than this. People in Central City know metahumans are running around, even if they don’t know why; I wanted to see Barry argue that the Star Labs group needed to work with local law enforcement to develop a containment facility that could imprison such dangerous people after they got a fair trial. I wanted to see the characters respect one another, rather than taking away their decisions “to protect them.” I wanted female characters I gave a damn about, who weren’t guest stars from a different show. I wanted Cisco and Caitlin to be smart rather than “smart.” I wanted the driving incident of the show not to be a fridged mother. I wanted there to be things here I could admire.

Having ranted about all of that . . . there were parts of the finale I really, really liked. Barry acknowledging that Joe is his father, every bit as much as whatshisface in the prison is. Barry not playing roulette with the cosmos by rewriting the past. Somebody finally pointing out to Eddie that oh my god a holographic image IS NOT PROOF OF THE FUTURE — sorry, that’s me ranting again. I liked how Eddie stepped up after that, though I wish he hadn’t died. But those are spots of enjoyment in a sea of beating my head against the nearest surface.

I hope it gets better. (Arrow did.) I’d like to be able to enjoy this show on a regular basis, rather than sporadically every episode or two. But I don’t think I’m going to be watching season two, unless and until I hear people saying “man, it’s way stronger than it used to be!” I saw a blog post online months ago that opened by saying The Flash was a fundamentally better show than Arrow simply because it wasn’t angsty . . . but for me, that isn’t enough. Not remotely — especially when it contains material that ought to cause angst, but instead gets trivialized and tossed aside. If you just want to be perky, then don’t bring that kind of weight to the table. If you bring it, then carry it with grace, dignity, and compassion: show me such things are possible.

It can be done. But so far, The Flash isn’t doing it.

Originally published at Swan Tower. You can comment here or there.

Date: 2015-06-08 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mastadge.livejournal.com
Agreed all the way.

Also, I think they're saying next season Arrow will be lighter than it has been, so maybe it'll deliver the best of both.

Also, the bad science! "If you hit a guy at 800 miles an hour you'll explode, unless you do it at just the right angle in which case you'll bruise your hand!" Also the inconsistency in speed is very annoying. Like, Mach 1 is a new record and then he's in bullettime and then 650 mph seems fast.
Edited Date: 2015-06-08 09:30 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-06-09 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
Yeah, it's one thing to be handwavy about your science; it's another to treat your audience like they're stupid.

I'd like to see Arrow lighten up a bit.

Date: 2015-06-08 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mariness.livejournal.com
Lyla also made her first appearance in Arrow's first season, though in a one episode guest shot that didn't give a hint of where she'd be heading from there.

Otherwise, I agree with this. And yay, someone else who likes Arrow more, despite its issues. I like The Flash, but I just don't have the same emotional involvement with it, even with the telepathic gorilla. (I loved the telepathic gorilla.) And I find that part of the problem is that, with the exception of a few episodes, the show tends to be plot/procedural driven, not character driven.

For example, in season one, the main love stories follow a similar track - the hero is concealing his secret identity from the love interest, who is involved with another guy. Over on Arrow, this story makes complete sense - Laurel has about 1001 reasons to be really pissed at Oliver (I still have no idea why she's still talking to him at all, but moving on), and first season Oliver is a serial killer that her father wants to arrest. Of course Oliver isn't telling Laurel his secret. I buy this.

Over on The Flash, Barry's big secret isn't that he's a serial killer running around putting arrows into people, but that he's a hero who can run very very fast. And Iris not only has no reason to be angry with him; she isn't angry with him. She's his best friend. I have no idea why he isn't going to her and saying LOOK HOW COOL THIS SPEED THING is, because that's what best friends do, especially when he ends up telling 20 other people before telling her.

Flash is fun. Arrow makes me care. Even if I like Iris more than I've ever liked Laurel.

Date: 2015-06-09 12:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
Right, The Flash just leans on the hackneyed trope of "I have to keep this from her to protect her!" Except that . . . there's no actual reason for Barry to think telling Iris will put her in danger. There's an extended period of time where Barry's the Flash but doesn't yet know about the Reverse Flash, so he doesn't even have a nemesis to be concerned about. He just lies to his best friend, pointlessly.

And as much as I would like to like Iris, they never really gave me a reason to do so. I like her more than Laurel, sure -- but that's more "she hasn't given me a reason to dislike her" than anything positive. She doesn't have any meaningful plot, she doesn't contribute to the war effort, and the brief period when she started yelling at Barry and her father was the only point where she showed a personality I could root for.

Date: 2015-06-09 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sidhe-uaine42.livejournal.com
And people wonder why I don't own a television (several people have offered me one or more. *eyeroll*) Saves me all the pain of self-inflicted hair-pulling.

Date: 2015-06-11 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
It also deprives you of the large amount of excellent TV out there. The existence of some crappy shows doesn't mean television as a whole is a waste of time; in fact, I think it's one of the more vibrant fields of storytelling in the U.S. right now.

Date: 2015-06-12 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sidhe-uaine42.livejournal.com
True, but if one isn't home long/often enough, it's not worth the cost/expense.

Date: 2015-06-09 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com
Any examples of what you consider perky/bright and substantive?

Date: 2015-06-11 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
Agent Carter has sexism in the story, and addresses it. Not in a fully nuanced fashion -- I've heard people complain that Mad Men did it better -- but it isn't aiming for the Mad Men kind of realistic nuance. What it does is acknowledge the problem is there, and then show the characters dealing with it as an ongoing thing. We aren't expected to think Jack Thompson is awesome now because that one time he acknowledged Peggy as a colleague.

The Librarians does a startlingly good job with the fact that one of the characters has an inoperable brain tumor that's going to kill her. Most of the time she's cheerful about it, but there are several points along the way where the story acknowledges the fundamental awfulness of that fact. (What the ultimate result of that plot will be, I don't know.)

Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries takes place post-war, and makes abundant reference to the fallout of that experience for the characters. Even if the show itself is perky, it does not use the perkiness as an excuse to trivialize wartime trauma. Ditto various aspects of sexism.

All of these shows can be criticized for not dealing with issues that might logically be part of the story (e.g. racism in Agent Carter). But what they don't do, and The Flash does, is put them on the table -- and then ignore them.

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