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I don’t have enough to say about “Home” to fill a whole post, so I’m just going to make a comment about it here before moving on to “Scarecrow” and the general topic of Supernatural and its female characters.


So, I don’t like “Home” very much. It’s a competent episode in general (as is the case with most of S1), but even taken in its own right, I feel like it fails to do anything sufficiently momentous with the idea of Mary’s spirit hanging out in their old house. It just comes across as . . . random. “Oh, okay, it’s Mom. We’ll be teary-eyed for a moment and then move on.” Taken in a broader context, I feel like it doesn’t fit. I would not be at all surprised to find out that Kripke hadn’t yet thought up the stuff with the Campbells that comes out in S4, because I kind of feel like a Mary Winchester with that context behind her would have a very different role in this episode. So “Home” doesn’t hit the way I want it to, and I think I have a subconscious tendency to forget Mary’s part in it and just remember Missouri, etc.

I also don’t like “Scarecrow” all that much, largely because it introduces Meg. And I do not like her at all.

Supernatural‘s issue with female characters is, to begin with, a structural one. The series is overwhelmingly populated by one-off characters; its core cast is all of two people, at least until you get into the last season or so. Because Kripke made the decision to focus his story on two male protagonists, this means that almost every female character is automatically assigned to a one-off role.

(Let’s be clear: the decision to focus on two male protagonists is not inherently a bad one. Kripke very obviously has an interest in discussing the theme of brothers and their relationship to their father, and does a good job of carrying this out. It’s only bad in the context of a media landscape where dudes are overwhelmingly the protagonists of such stories, and their relationships with each other are considered the most interesting things to talk about. I’m sad that nobody filled the Yuletide request for a Sleepy Hollow/Supernatural fusion where the Mills sisters drive around the country in a muscle car fighting monsters, because I WANT TO READ THAT STORY.)

So: two male characters in every episode, almost everybody else relegated to one-shot appearances. In a given episode plot, there are three significant roles a secondary character can appear in, those being Monster, Victim, and Ally. Allies do not figure into every plot, so that means that the most common non-spear-carrier roles for a female character are Monster and Victim. And, well: both of those are problematic, in a context where women are never the protagonists. (It is also a problem for minority characters of any sort, as this show abundantly demonstrates.)

You do get some female Allies, like Haley in “Wendigo,” Amanda in “Phantom Traveler,” or Sarah in “Provenance.” These are the characters who face down the bad stuff alongside the Winchesters, contributing in some conscious fashion to their efforts. But ultimately, they’re going to be assistants to the main heroes, because the audience is not here to watch how some random individual we’re never going to see again solves the problem with the brothers looking on. Sam and Dean are the protagonists, so they’re the ones who save the day. I like a number of the Ally characters, but they don’t solve the underlying problem of women being bit parts in the story, and often bit parts that are either evil or dead.

The problem can’t all be attributed to the structure, though. That’s just a bad foundation on which the larger issue stands.

When the show does start working in more recurring characters, they are often male . . . even when they don’t have to be. Okay, so Bobby kind of needs to be a guy, because a surrogate mother figure would play a very different role in the story than a surrogate father figure, and wouldn’t contribute to the theme Kripke is exploring. But what about Castiel? I liked Anna, but she showed up all of a handful of times, whereas Misha Collins becomes a main cast member and is pretty obviously immune to being removed from the plot. Chuck Shurley is male: why? It would have made for an interesting twist if the person writing about the Winchesters was a woman, especially given all the meta jokes that eventually happen about their fanbase. Or how about the guys from “Hell House,” who later come back as the Ghostfacers? Yes, they’re a parody of a particular type of nerd, one that tends to be male — but there’s still a good story to tell if one or both of those nerds are female. Zachariah, Gabriel, etc, etc . . . too many of the recurring characters are male, even when there isn’t a strong reason why they have to be. Even when maybe there would be an equally strong story to tell about a woman instead.

Exceptions: Ellen. Jo. Bela. I liked all three of them. Unfortunately, what I’ve always heard is that women in general and Jo in particular ran afoul of the SPN fanbase, who haaaaaaaaated having a female character get in the way of their mad shipping of Sam and Dean. I don’t actually know if that’s true; I’ve heard it often enough, but never seen actual textual evidence to back it up. (If you have some, feel free to provide.) Bela I think got shortchanged by the writers’ strike, which curtailed S3 — more on that when we actually get to her in the course of the re-watch. But Ellen and Jo are the ones I’m the most upset about, because I think they were good characters who contributed a lot to the show, and then they got dropped without much ceremony.

And then there’s Meg. And Ruby.

Unfortunately, somebody on the show — maybe it was Kripke; maybe it was somebody else; maybe it was the gestalt of the writing team in general — seems to have been prone to writing a type I think of as the Blonde Bitch. (The haircolor honestly feels like it’s relevant; I found Ruby much more bearable after they recast her with a brunette actress. And the worst offenders always seem to be blonde.) This character is abrasive and unlikeable in a way that I think I’m expected to read as “strong.” Those two are the worst offenders, being recurring characters, but similar sorts turn up as one-shots in various episodes, rubbing me the wrong way despite for their short time on screen. Even Jo has elements of the type in her, though she’s ultimately a much better character than that.

I don’t like Meg. Not “I don’t like her because she’s a villain;” I just flat-out don’t want to watch her on the screen. Her dialogue isn’t good. Her role is annoying. I detest the way the actress plays her. I felt the same way about Ruby most of the time, at least before she was recast. If this is what’s on offer for recurring female characters, a part of me says “let’s just go back to the guys.”

I’ve got more to say about “Scarecrow” on a structural level, but I wanted to touch on the gender issue first, because, well, yeah. Given that S1 is mostly just competent, rather than particularly good, and it starts off with two women refrigerated in the space of an hour, I can understand why the ongoing issue of female characters puts some people right off. I know the show eventually gets to a level I think is good enough to make me acknowledge this problem and then put it aside, but not everybody wants to stick with it that long or forgive it that failing, and I can’t say they’re wrong. If you’re looking for cool female characters, this is not the place to find them.

Originally published at Swan Tower. You can comment here or there.

Date: 2014-02-26 09:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leatherdykeuk.livejournal.com
I can't faul your findings, here. Even Abaddon is two dimensional. All the women in the show are cannon fodder, even the hunters.

Date: 2014-02-28 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
I wouldn't go so far as to say "they're all cannon fodder," since to me that implies cardboard cutouts who exist to be killed off five minutes later. Which is not actually true, not on a universal level.

Having said that -- yeah. Female characters are not the show's strong suit.

(I presume Abaddon is somebody from post-S5?)

Date: 2014-02-28 08:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leatherdykeuk.livejournal.com
yes, sorry. Season 6/7

Date: 2014-02-27 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhinemouse.livejournal.com
I don't have links to any evidence anymore, but I was in SPN fandom when Jo and Ellen turned up, and yes, people haaaaaaaaaaaated them. Usually they claimed it was because the characters were poorly-written Mary Sues, but given the amount of time that was spent talking about "Jo the ho," it was hard not to see a degree of "must protect the OTP!" Or "must protect the bromance!"--the non-slashers hated her just as much.

(I still remember how one of the people regularly posting updates in [livejournal.com profile] spnnewsletter liked to use an icon that showed Jo standing next to Dean with the caption "TRYING SO HARD AND FAILING.")

It was my first really personal experience with fandom misogyny. I stopped watching Supernatural early in season 3--for other reasons--and it was a mostly amicable break-up, like that high school boyfriend you just grow away from, and then you go to different colleges and it's not a big deal when it ends. But I'm still bitter about the fandom.

(Not that I think SPN fandom is particularly worse than others--just, it was one of the first times I had it rubbed in my face how much some women love to hate other women.)

Date: 2014-02-28 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
I'll accept eyewitness testimony as valid evidence. :-) My previous information had been kind of third-hand for the most part, hence not wanting to assume it was true without more verification. It's easy to blame fandom for problems that are fundamentally the fault of the writers -- I mean, even if the fans were hating on Jo, it was the writers' decision to listen to them.

Jo does have a whiff of "trying too hard" about her, but in a way I saw as being very much in-character. Anybody who grows up around hunters, but isn't allowed to be one, is going to have that vibe, y'know? Anyway, I'll say more about her when we get there.

The fandom issue . . . it's one of the ways in which slash fandom sometimes bothers me. We already have problems with an abundance of stories in which women are sidelined in favor of male problems and male emotions; slash both is fed by that, and feeds back into it. (After all, heavy fannish engagement is valuable to media producers, and if you can court it by writing about hot guys with no women interfering . . .) Which is not to say that slash itself is inherently problematic; just that it is very much bound up in certain problems. And for every fanfic exchange participant who says "I ship Guy A/Guy B, but please do not bash Lady C in the course of getting those two together," it seems like you have several others of the Jo-hater type.

Date: 2014-02-28 01:35 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
IIRC, the hate on Jo was not matched by any similar hate on Ellen. Ellen was non-threatening, because OBVIOUSLY far too old to be of sexual interest (ahem). (I have several friends who wrote killer Dean/Ellen fic...)

I didn't see a lot of Jo-hate, myself; I didn't hang in Wincest circles and I didn't hang with people who hated female characters. So it's hard to know for sure. But certainly the show staff claimed they got a lot of hate-mail about Jo. FWIW.

Me, it just made me want to write about her, to understand what was going on her head...

Date: 2014-02-28 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
Ellen was also not trying to be a hunter in the field, so she wouldn't get the "what, you think you're as good as the Winchester boys?" hate. Jo had a tightrope to walk between "you're good at this, therefore you're a Mary Sue" and "you're incompetent, go away." If by "tightrope" I mean "there was probably no balance point in there that would have actually made people happy."

What I want is the story the writers were originally intending to tell about Jo, that ended up being scuttled. Because whatever the reasoning, it's pretty obvious they were setting up for something more than what we actually got.

Date: 2014-03-05 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shakatany.livejournal.com
A bit late to the discussion but...I grew up in the 60s watching shows that were primarily cast with male characters. Women were subject to what I called the heroine syndrome: a female character comes on the show and one of the heroes falls in love with her. To truly be together back then they had to be married but since they couldn't have a married hero something dreadful had to come between them like having to kill the heroine's brother in self defense or something similar but far too often they killed her off so that the hero would suffer nobly. Around the time Quincy came on the air in the late 70s with his various girlfriends the heroine syndrome was no longer necessary.

Unfortunately it's back and the death rate of female characters on SPN brings back my ire of the heroine syndrome especially when they killed Ellen off. I watch it because so many on my flist love it and practically talk about nothing else but to me it's like a boy's club closed to females and reeks of misogynism (IMHO).

Shakatany

Date: 2014-03-05 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
I really do think the underlying problem is the structural one: most women are only around for one ep, often in roles that make them either evil or victimized, and while the same is true of most men, the latter have the counterweight of Sam and Dean, while the former do not. But that makes it more incumbent upon the writers to be aware of the consequences and mitigate them where they can -- which I think they started to do with Jo and Ellen, but it ended up backfiring rather badly.

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