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Mildly curious, I followed this link to an article about culling down one's book collection. It appears to part of a series wherein the writer chronicles the process of organizing her life. Okay, let's go.

She is, by her own admission, a "total bibliophile." Apparently her parents crammed 1,100 books into their apartment!

. . . er, okay, if you don't have a lot of space (and they had four rooms in New York), then I suppose that's a lot. The writer? Her book collection -- the combined possessions of herself and her husband -- "peaked at 600."

Please.

By the end of the article, they're down to 200. Our fiction collection consists of more books than her parents had at their incredible height. According to LibaryThing, we own more urban fantasy than this woman now has in her entire collection.

I'm not out to play a game of one-upsmanship; I'm sure there are people reading this who think our 2,260 books are a paltry few. But I just had to roll my eyes at the presentation of 600 as a huge pile of books that must be cut down for the salvation of one's household. I don't think the WaPo knows what a real bibliophile is.

Date: 2008-06-06 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
Yah, I got to the point where they said of someone, "She has even allowed her husband, Mike, to keep his collection of science-fiction paperbacks from the early 1980s," and I thought, "And he has even allowed her to keep their marriage! What a deal!" and quit reading.

I know the women who make their husbands get rid of their SF paperbacks or hide them in the closet in the basement, and if being more bibliophilic than them is the grand and shining standard, I am just no longer interested in reading that person's opinions on the subject.

(Maybe there are men making their wives get rid of their SF paperbacks or hide them. But I've never met them or heard of them.)

Date: 2008-06-06 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
Oh, yeah. I totally forgot to even mention that one.

Date: 2008-06-07 12:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janni.livejournal.com
I will never, never understand the sort of marriage where people "let" each other do basic things, and need "permission" to do other basic things. That sort of control just creeps me out.

Date: 2008-06-07 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com
Well, that might have been the perspective of the author, about the professional organizer friend, than how it actually worked in the organizer's marriage.

Having had to deal with my parents' book collection after they died, and that without the pressure of a landlord, I can sympathize with such an experience leaving one skittish about large collections.

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Date: 2008-06-06 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] difrancis.livejournal.com
I've never counted. I am afraid to count. And that's after a couple of recent cullings. Sigh.

Di

Date: 2008-06-06 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
I only know because [livejournal.com profile] kniedzw did the thirteenth labor of Hercules and entered them all into LibraryThing.

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Date: 2008-06-06 10:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shalanar.livejournal.com
*concurs*

Our book collection is somewhere over 2000 right now. I used to have an exact number, but had a complete failure of my inventory database a couple years back, and haven't restarted that epic project. Our house is less than 1000 square feet. We converted our spare room into a library, and it works. No clutter at all. We can even still have guests overnight. Not a problem.

600 books is not a huge amount.

Date: 2008-06-06 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
We've got 1270 sq. ft. right now, but come California, we're probably going to have to figure out how to cram ourselves (and, more to the point, our books) into less.

Date: 2008-06-06 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kendokamel.livejournal.com
A bibliophile who willingly limits the size of her stash?

Pffft! I say!

Date: 2008-06-06 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celeber.livejournal.com
I love books. I love reading, writing, editing, stroking, re-reading, etc. I can not even fathom letting go of my collection. I have boxes upon boxes of books in my garage because my desk and dresser had gravitiy defying stacks upon them that started to seem a bit hazardous. I box them set them in the garage on one of the shelves in hopes that one day I will have an enormous library that can house all of my little treasures.
I can not even tell you how many books I own, or that my husband owns, or that any of my three kids own. I can tell you there are books in every room of the house and taking over all the bookshelves.
Parting with them? Not an option. Asking my husband to part with his? Grounds for divorce. Asking my children to part with theirs? Disownment.

Date: 2008-06-07 06:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
I try to part with some on a regular basis, because I dislike having them stuck away in boxes or double-stacked where I can't see them all; I'd rather weed out the ones that honestly aren't very good or I'm never going to read or whose use has ended, and make more space for ones I will love and use. They are not all sacred little snowflakes, at least not in the sense of all deserving room on my shelves.

Date: 2008-06-06 10:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] breathingbooks.livejournal.com
That article is just sad. I passed 600 before college and that was with my mom having to write checks to pay our library fines (which were, er, mostly my fault). My collection is also tiny compared to those of many, many people on librarything. It's a pity the author didn't do some research.

Date: 2008-06-07 06:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
I don't think it was a "research" kind of article. I think it was a "write a fluff piece about your personal experiences" article.

Date: 2008-06-06 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmegaera.livejournal.com
Obviously, this woman needs to be told about The Rule: Every person gets three categories of things that are not clutter. By definition.

Mine are garden plants, quilt fabric (sixteen large bins worth so far [g]), and books.

I have been known to weed (a librarian term) my books on occasion, but only if I'm headed to Powells in Portland (www.powells.com), which makes it an exercise in futility since I always come back with more than I left with, anyway [g]. I have no idea of the total number. I do have bookcases in every single room of my house, however, even one of the bathrooms.

The sort of thinking promulgated by this woman is why I will never, ever entrust my home to a professional decorator, even if I had the money. Have you seen most professionally decorated rooms???

Date: 2008-06-06 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snickelish.livejournal.com
Yes on the home decorating! Only slightly more disturbing than the beautifully color-coordinated rooms with no bookshelves are the rooms with a bookshelf and books that all match. As though the well-bred home kept a shelf of identically bound volumes as a... statement of intellectualism. Or something. *shudder*

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Date: 2008-06-06 11:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
200? Pft. If I include manga, I have more than that in my to-be-read pile. Actually, I may not have to inculde the manga.

Date: 2008-06-06 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] querldox.livejournal.com
Circa 3500-4000 "book" books here, with over 2500 comics related books/collections.

We won't talk about the number of actual comic books.

Btw, the other "interesting" bit about the article was that it seems to be focused only on their attic. No mention of any books downstairs, or any being easily accessible.

Date: 2008-06-07 06:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
Well, it was a short fluff piece.

Date: 2008-06-06 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unforth.livejournal.com
1100 books in 4 rooms in NYC?? Wow, they should see my apartment, with over 3000 in 2 rooms. I'm with you - this person is clueless. :)

Date: 2008-06-06 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kleenestar.livejournal.com
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I read more books in a YEAR than this woman kept.

We moved into a 400 square foot NYC studio with over 2,000 books. The collection has grown significantly since then; I've got 4K+ cataloged and a bunch of boxes still to go. That article is a joke.

Date: 2008-06-07 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] querldox.livejournal.com
I'll bite; how are you managing to keep 2000 (now 4000 in the same place?) in a 400 ft^2 place in terms of sheer space?

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Date: 2008-06-07 12:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mastadge.livejournal.com
Get a load of this one (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/15/garden/15library.html?_r=1&ref=books&oref=slogin)! Now there's a bibliophile!

Date: 2008-06-07 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mastadge.livejournal.com
And I'm at a count of 2,673 books on LibraryThing -- and, at a guess, have about half of them entered. That's about 2000 prose and poetry, 700 comics. Comics are almost done. 'nother 2000+ books as I have time to enter 'em.

Date: 2008-06-07 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janni.livejournal.com
We stopped counting around 3000, but that was some years ago. I'm sure it's more now. In, well, five small rooms instead of four.

"Are the pages so brittle and yellow that you're never going to read them?" If so, she says, donate.

Because even though you find the book unreadable, it makes sense to expect someone else to read it? Ummm.

And second, "be realistic about the format you like to read them in." Most people never re-read paperbacks they've kept for a while, especially the smaller ones, she says.

Says who? Around here paperbacks get reread more because they're, like, portable.

Date: 2008-06-07 10:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metagnat.livejournal.com
The small paperback thing was one that struck me as ridiculous, too. I am at least equally likely to read and re-read those, not just because of the easy and portable form-factor, but because they tend to contain some of my favorite stories. A lot of scifi isn't ever brought out in bigger form factors, I think. Especially for some sequels.

For my part, I've given up trying to get rid of too many books. The last time I tried I came up with maybe 20 out of a collection that I have never counted. It once got me and my S.O. labled as "the people with all the books" by a friend's date, though. Heh.

My current goal is to keep buying books at whatever rate I buy them and actually get/keep them organized. Then, when I die, they can just hang a shingle off the front of the house and turn it into a used bookstore. :)

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Date: 2008-06-07 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kathleenfoucart.livejournal.com
Yay for being a Image (http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?view=kfoucart)!

I don't have all mine in yet, but I do have a spreadsheet that should have everything in it, and, with my purchase of Midnight Never Come the list now says I'm at 1900. :)

Date: 2008-06-07 06:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
If you send me a pic of that, I'll put you in the drawing for a story. ^_~

Date: 2008-06-07 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brigidsblest.livejournal.com
*rolls eyes*

My lifetime total was over 10,000. I got rid of over 5K when I moved to Michigan in 1996; that was a mistake, as the friends I moved in with didn't stay friends, and I much would have rather kept the books, since I was going to lose the friends anyway.

I underwent another voluntary cut last year; I let my f-list here on LJ plunder the books I was getting rid of, so long as they paid the postage to mail them out. I got rid of about another thousand books then, and currently am just a hair under 5,000, with no intention of stopping anytime soon.

600? What a piker.

Date: 2008-06-07 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lotuseyes.livejournal.com
XD remind me to friend you for your next book cut lol

Date: 2008-06-07 01:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lotuseyes.livejournal.com
is she's a bibliophile at only 600 books...what does it make me with over 1300 crammed into my 10ft x 10ft bedroom? XD

Date: 2008-06-07 01:51 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] juushika.livejournal.com
My book collection was at 600 the last time I did a book count—eight years ago when I was in high school. I have no idea where it stands now, and it's even harder to tell since everything is currently packed into boxes that scatter two homes. 1000 is a minimum, and it's probably much higher than that.

I will say, though, that being a poor student did change how I look at book buying. I have access to a strong local library—it doesn't have an all-inclusive selection, but I still manage to read most of the books that I want just by borrowing them. The books that I can't borrow and still really want I know are worth purchasing; the books that I read and love so much that I know I'll want to reread them, probably more than once, are also worth purchasing. The rest of the "just ok," "just good," or even forgettable I can read without giving up cash or precious shelf space. It saves money and has kept my local library ... well, smaller anyway.

Date: 2008-06-07 06:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fjm.livejournal.com
We got rid of 2,000 in the last cull. I do know how many we own, and let's just say that we *are* the local sf library. The current choice tho is that if it is in the British library we don't buy it.

Date: 2008-06-07 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diatryma.livejournal.com
I haven't been buying books lately. June will be a book-buying month-- yours, Sarah Prineas', and I'm probably going to give in and get Ursula Vernon's.

My parents are gearing up for book purge some summer. Big damn garage sale, advertise lots of cheap paperbacks. Before then, I'll have to go home, pull boxes out of the attic, sort through for ones I expect to read again, ones I can get at the library if I ever want to read them again, ones I should probably pass to a teenager, things like that.
I was the major book buyer in my family for years. I really don't want to sort. Maybe I'll use LibraryThing as an incentive....

Date: 2008-06-07 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diatryma.livejournal.com
Now my shelves are richer by two, one of them yours. I'll try to get a camera. Very pretty cover-- the glossy bits are very cool.

Date: 2008-06-07 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miladyinsanity.livejournal.com
I don't know.

Even as a kid, I considered myself a bibliophile even though I didn't really start buying books until I was 15. I read something like a book a day, minimum (well, 2-3 times a week I'd read 2-4 books in one sitting).

So I'm not sure that the number of books one owns is a big deal, though it can be.

Date: 2008-06-07 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com
So I'm not sure that the number of books one owns is a big deal, though it can be.

No, of course not. I was more just snarking the way the article obviously expected the reader to consider 600 "a lot of books," and 1,100 truly ridiculous. It implies a whole different frame of reference.

Date: 2008-06-07 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmegaera.livejournal.com
Oh. And I used to be married to a man who did not understand the concept of buying books because we had access to the library. He was the director of that library...

Note the phrase "used to be"...

Date: 2008-06-08 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lowellboyslash.livejournal.com
This thread is probably mostly shut, but:

I have no idea how many books I own. Probably more than 500; maybe less than 1,000. So, not too terribly many.

But more unnerving to me than the number of books is the acceleration of books into my little apartment! Between dating a very generous bibliophile and working at You Know Where, the amount of books I get for basically free now is STAGGERING. You'd think I'd get tired of taking free books off the take shelves at work. But the entire set of Farseer books for free? A copy of any manga my company makes? Travel guides for most of the known world? Yes, please!

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