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(This is part of my Elfquest re-read. There will be spoilers.)

I can’t think of any character in this entire series who more strongly merits their own post, with the possible exception of Two-Edge.

Winnowill is a villain, and the story makes no attempt to pretend otherwise. When we see Strongbow being psychically tortured at the end of The Forbidden Grove, his tormentor is shown only as a silhouette — but the fact that she speaks telepathically tells us she’s an elf. And in case you had any doubt as to whether you should still give her the benefit of the doubt, her sending gets its own special mark, a malevolent red and black star. It takes the characters a while to confirm that she’s the great danger Savah warned Suntop about, but the reader knows from the start.

But saying that she’s a straight-up villain doesn’t mean she’s inherently evil, in the “dyed in the wool” sense. From Lord Voll we get tantalizing hints about the Winnowill of the past — I would have loved to see a short-run series of backstory about the early days of the Gliders. She was probably ambitious from the start, and likely somewhat manipulative, but those aren’t the same thing as the unrelenting malice she exhibits in the present day. No, her spirit has been warped over the millennia: by the isolation and ossification of the Gliders, by the lack of any real purpose to her endless life, and by whatever happened to her when she vanished underground for a time. If memory serves, that’s when she met the troll by whom she conceived Two-Edge, but whether she herself suffered any trauma or was only ever the inflicter of same, I don’t recall.

Everything that’s wrong with Winnowill is, for lack of a better term, a human problem. By that I mean she’s not supernaturally corrupted or anything like that; her flaws are the same flaws real people have in the real world. Arrogance. Hunger for power. Lack of empathy. A desire to cause pain, simply because it demonstrates her power and it’s the only thing she finds interesting anymore. Where magic comes in is with the suggestion that she could be fixed . . . if she wanted to be. But when it comes to a choice between allowing Leetah to change her and stepping to her almost-guaranteed death, Winnowill chooses death. I find myself sorely tempted to request Winnowill fanfic next Yuletide, because I think it would be fascinating to see the inside of her mind.

That impulse surprises me because, although I very much like Winnowill’s role in this volume, overall I find she demonstrates the same problem exhibited by villains in many other stories: the more the plot focuses on her, the less interesting I find the result. She’s great here, okay in Siege at Blue Mountain and The Secret of Two-Edge, largely unnecessary in Kings of the Broken Wheel (Rayek’s own choices are far more compelling), and then she just . . . keeps going. It’s partly a function of the otherwise intriguing worldbuilding twist that killing her would accomplish jack, and might make things worse: then they’d have to contend with her spirit, which would be no less dangerous and a lot more difficult to hit. As I recall from later canon, she does wind up dead and Rayek has to serve as her prison, but I don’t think the problem she represents ever got resolved; nobody manages to de-toxify her spirit. I really wish they would, because there’s a point at which she starts to feel like a drag on the story to me.

Before that point, though, she’s a fantastic villain. I love her conversation with Leetah, when she tries to use the secret of the Wolfriders’ heritage as a lever to force them out of Blue Mountain before they can threaten her control of the place. Her menagerie of pet humans is incredibly twisted. And Two-Edge — well. He may wind up getting his own post; we’ll see.

I also have to make mention of Winnowill as a specifically female villain. Taken in isolation, her gender and behavior might bother me a lot, because she’s very much the stereotype of the femme fatale: beautiful, seductive, manipulative, and so on. In fairness, I should say the fact that I don’t have a problem with that probably owes something to the age at which I read this story; I was a lot less critical about that sort of thing when I was twelve. But I also think it owes a lot to the larger context of the story as a whole, because Winnowill is only one female character, in a cast that features a broad array of contrasting figures. Leetah as Winnowill’s “dark sister” is particularly noteworthy — there’s a whole metaphorical layer there about how we associate “dark” with “evil,” but Winnowill is the pale one of the pair — but also Dewshine and Aroree and Moonshade and Clearbrook and Nightfall in this volume, many others in the series as a whole. We don’t have to excise the femme fatale from our narrative lexicon; we just have to make sure she isn’t the only option on offer.

Originally published at Swan Tower. You can comment here or there.

Date: 2017-02-28 11:14 pm (UTC)
senmut: Cutter cradling the injured Redlance to his chest (Elfquest: Cutter with Redlance)
From: [personal profile] senmut
I admit that I have a love/hate fr Winnowill, and I think you capture it here: nobody manages to de-toxify her spirit. I really wish they would, because there’s a point at which she starts to feel like a drag on the story to me.

Because it feels like they wrote themselves into a corner.

Maybe that's Suntop's destiny to face...

ETA: Because I don't remember if she was implied or shown in Rebels or Jink, I can hope they solved the issue?
Edited Date: 2017-02-28 11:15 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-28 11:28 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Haruspex: Autumn War)
From: [personal profile] sovay
No, her spirit has been warped over the millennia: by the isolation and ossification of the Gliders, by the lack of any real purpose to her endless life

If it was an accident on the Pinis' part, then it was unconsciously, beautifully thematic that she's introduced in the same arc which reveals that the Wolfriders alone of the elf tribes are mortal. The series isn't explicitly asking the Tuck Everlasting questions yet—that happens with Kings of the Broken Wheel—but the reader can start thinking about them because they're implicitly drawn. What do you do with the time you're given? What meaning do you find for yourself if there's no urgency, if that time is endless? Protip: living inside an empty mountain in static imitation of an alien life you never lived yourself probably isn't it.

and by whatever happened to her when she vanished underground for a time. If memory serves, that’s when she met the troll by whom she conceived Two-Edge, but whether she herself suffered any trauma or was only ever the inflicter of same, I don’t recall.

I belive that the panel of memory in which she comes across him shows them aboveground in the sun, but I'll double-check. It's in Siege at Blue Mountain; she is remembering her last relationship as she prepares to meet Rayek.

[edit] Okay, the same basic version of events appears twice in Siege, with varying detail each time. I had forgotten that she goes underground alone. What is said about that?

nobody manages to de-toxify her spirit. I really wish they would, because there’s a point at which she starts to feel like a drag on the story to me.

Also I think it would be fascinating. The image of Winnowill stepping to her (attempted) death at the end of Captives of Blue Mountain rather than permitting Leetah to heal her is an amazing encapsulation of the way people hold to trauma and damage and destructive behavior because to change would be terrifying, like becoming someone else; for Winnowill to admit the pain of what she's done is insupportable, so the only thing left is to continue on the path she's set on, justifying everything as she goes along. She says as much in Kings of the Broken Wheel when she blames the half-finished healing (attempted in both Captives and Siege) on Leetah, calling it nothing but torture. I think that is one of the reasons I am disappointed that she became a generic, irredeemable villain in later books; her earlier appearances imply not that she's not unsalvageable, but that she doesn't want to be saved. That's different and that's interesting.
Edited Date: 2017-02-28 11:34 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-03-01 03:49 am (UTC)
sovay: (Rotwang)
From: [personal profile] sovay
there’s a whole metaphorical layer there about how we associate “dark” with “evil,” but Winnowill is the pale one of the pair

I went looking for this page because I remembered the line about "the cool lustre of pearl," but it reminded me that I had no experience of manga when I read Elfquest for the first time; and now I do. That's some visible influence.

Date: 2017-03-01 04:28 am (UTC)
sholio: sun on winter trees (Winter Sunlight)
From: [personal profile] sholio
Taken in isolation, her gender and behavior might bother me a lot, because she’s very much the stereotype of the femme fatale: beautiful, seductive, manipulative, and so on. In fairness, I should say the fact that I don’t have a problem with that probably owes something to the age at which I read this story; I was a lot less critical about that sort of thing when I was twelve. But I also think it owes a lot to the larger context of the story as a whole, because Winnowill is only one female character, in a cast that features a broad array of contrasting figures.

I was just thinking about this, and I think it helps a lot that she's not only contrasted against a number of different female characters, but a number of powerful women and female leaders, as well. Savah, Kahvi, Leetah, and later Ember are all powerful in their own way and command a respectful following among their people. So it's not only that Winnowill doesn't have to carry the weight of being the only (or one of the only) female characters in the series, but she's also not the sole model in the series for what female leadership and female power looks like.
Edited Date: 2017-03-01 04:28 am (UTC)

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