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swan_tower ([personal profile] swan_tower) wrote2011-04-14 12:16 am

I think I'd prefer a Marlovian film.

It had to happen eventually, I suppose.

SCENE: The inside of [livejournal.com profile] swan_tower's head

SWAN: Let's go look at movie trailers. Anonymous -- what, like the group?

PAGE: <loads>

SWAN: No, it's something set in Elizabethan England! With Derek Jacobi and other cool people! <reads further in synopsis> . . . oh, shit. It's a "Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare's plays" story.

TRAILER: <plays>

SWAN: Old London Bridge! <swoons in a fit of historical geekery>

DIRECTOR: <is Roland Emmerich>

SWAN: grk.

IMDb: This movie's theory is apparently Oxfordian, since Rhys Ifans has top billing, and he's playing Edward de Vere.

SWAN: <sigh> But . . . London Bridge . . . Elizabethan geekery . . . but Roland Emmerich. And Oxfordianism. <more sigh> Well, at least it seems I'm over my knee-jerk "please god no more" reaction to the sixteenth century. And that's something. Whether or not I can bring myself to watch this movie . . . we'll have to see.

[identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com 2011-04-14 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
As the Prologue, so he isn't in much of the film. But yeah, you look at it and think, "Derek Jacobi! If he's in it, how bad could it be?"

I'm afraid of the answer to that question.
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[personal profile] pameladean 2011-04-14 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah.

Mark Rylance is a brilliant actor and has put together an absolutely amazing group that tours around doing Shakespeare on a bare stage with all male actors. I won't say "as originally done," but it's an attempt to show how it might have been done. Their productions are wonderful.

He thinks there is an "authorship question." And he's an ass about it. It's really a kind of disease, I think.

Oh, good Lord. I did a quick Google because I originally thought Rylance was an Oxfordian but wasn't sure. Jacobi is right with him. They have a little website. They don't name a candidate. They just think there should be "academic debate" about the "question."

My head hurts.

Anyway, being a good actor doesn't mean you can't have really stupid ideas. I mean, Mark Twain was an anti-Shakespearean.

P.

P.

[identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com 2011-04-14 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't get past the way that there's usually an elitist substratum to the whole thing: "whoever wrote those plays has to have been a nobleman, because noblemen are just cooler." (Or if not a noble, then somebody that seems cooler than an ordinary guy from Stratford.)

And it's not that I think Derek Jacobi can't have stupid ideas. It's that I usually trust him not to be in stupid movies.

[identity profile] matociquala.livejournal.com 2011-04-14 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
It's worse than that. It's the Oxford-is-Elizabeth's-son theory. Which, I admit, I used. BUT I MADE FUN OF IT WHILE I WAS USING IT, DAMMIT.

[identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com 2011-04-14 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, god.

I mean, it isn't that I don't think historical conspiracy, however batshit, can't make good fiction. It's that I trust some people to do it (e.g. you), and not others (e.g. Roland Emmerich).

Yeah. I think the only way I'm going to watch this is at home, with knowledgable friends, and much sporking.

I might even bend my "I don't really drink" rule, and make a drinking game out of it.

[identity profile] matociquala.livejournal.com 2011-04-14 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
It calls for a nice Rhenish, I think. With chipped sugar.

[identity profile] swan-tower.livejournal.com 2011-04-15 06:09 am (UTC)(link)
Only if I can pour the Rhenish on Emmerich's head.

[identity profile] matociquala.livejournal.com 2011-04-15 12:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Not without mustard!